This article should be about Phi Delta Theta's RIT chapter and the national fraternity's interactions with RIT, not about the national organization in general. Content related to the national organization that isn't directly related to RIT is outside our scope. See Talk:Pi Kappa Phi. --Richard Edward Latham 13:18, 19 May 2010 (EDT)

Our national founding is extremely relevant to our local chapter. Our entire identity is created from our national founding, so it is only proper to include it. This Wiki should serve as a resource for learning about our chapter, and to learn about our chapter you must understand our national founding as well.—Preceding unsigned comment added by GEW4607 (talkcontribs)

I agree with Richard. The content related to your national founding is not within our scope. A link to your Wikipedia article should suffice just as well. Kari Marie Hazzard 17:06, 19 May 2010 (EDT)
I'd also like to point out that the section under dispute is identical to that on Wikipedia. Kari Marie Hazzard 08:20, 20 May 2010 (EDT)
It is identical, because there is no reason to rewrite it. A Wiki is supposed to be a quick source to read all you need to know about something without having to search the internet. There is a reason the only two fraternities to have Wiki pages put national history, because it is very important to local history and is important to include in the description of the chapter. I assume none of the admins are Greek and cannot understand this concept, because any Greek would agree. If you aren't going to allow me to include a paragraph about my national founding I see no reason to have a wiki page for my chapter at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GEW4607 (talkcontribs)
In fact, Kari and I are members of Alpha Phi Omega and in that article we did not include a summary of its national founding. The point of a wiki is to place content specifically related to the topic at hand. As this is the RITpedia, we include information related directly to RIT. An article about Charles Dickens might be a related topic of RIT since he once spoke at the Athenaeum, but I would not include his entire biography because his entire life was not particularly related to RIT. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of the world and includes a general overview of the topics at hand. For instance, the article Artesano Bakery & Cafe would be unacceptable by Wikipedia's standards since it is a local and single store, but very relevant to RIT since it is a substantial dining option on campus. The NY Eta Chapter is what is relevant to RIT and the wiki of RIT. We are not telling you to ignore the national history, goals, and foundations of your fraternity, but to contribute to the RIT-related content of the fraternity, which is primarily the chapter NY Eta. I believe that a link to the Wikipedia's Phi Delta Theta National History would be just as quick. --Richard Edward Latham 12:08, 20 May 2010 (EDT)
This isn't an attack against you or against your organization; it's just that we aren't a wiki about anything and everything. We're a wiki about RIT, and content that isn't related to RIT doesn't really belong here. I think we realize your history is important to you, and we're not trying to be insensitive or unfair. I mean, seriously, you provide so much benefit to the students of this campus alone; that itself is enough for a whole article.
Can you provide any specific examples of how your national history really affects what you do at RIT? I think that's really all we need here. Kari Marie Hazzard 12:50, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

I just had a thought--Maybe it should be OK to include a small amount of national history to provide context for the rest of the article? Not a full history, but maybe the major highlights. Does that sound reasonable? Kari Marie Hazzard 15:29, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

Delta Sigma Pi's de-chartering

This is also relevant to the Delta Sigma Pi article; can we get a reference on RIT not allowing co-ed fraternities? Eta Mu Phi (a now-defunct photography fraternity) was co-ed from its beginning in 1960 or so. Kari Marie Hazzard 15:32, 20 May 2010 (EDT)